Here’s a topic that’s been coming up a LOT recently, and this is an extremely confusing decision: What’s better to invest in - Roth IRA or a Traditional 401k? Here’s my thoughts, enjoy! Add me on Instagram: GPStephan
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So lets first start with some background on the almighty Roth IRA:
First, like I just mentioned, all of the profit generated in this account is tax free after the age of 59.5. That could save you a LOT of money by the time you retire, especially if you begin investing in this early on.
Second, with a Roth IRA, you can withdraw whatever money you contribute to this account, at any time, tax free, without paying any penalties.
However, here are the downsides:
First, with a Roth IRA, you contribute POST TAX MONEY - this means the money that’s left over after you’ve already your paid taxes on it. And as we all know, the money you have left over AFTER taxes is a LOT smaller than before the taxes were taken away…this means you’ll have LESS of your money to invest upfront, all things considered.
Second, if you want to withdraw your PROFIT from this account before the age of 59.5, you’ll be subject to a 10% penalty, and you’ll have to pay normal taxes on that profit.
Third, the contribution limit for a Roth IRA is capped at $6000…so if you want to contribute more than this, well, you can’t.
But how does this all compare to the Traditional 401k?
Well, the 401k is an employer sponsored retirement account where you contribute PRE TAX money…meaning you won’t pay any taxes on the money you invest in this account. Now because you don’t have to pay taxes on the money you contribute, you have even MORE money left over to invest instead of paying it to the IRS, allowing that extra money you saved in taxes to make YOU even more money.
Pros of a Traditional 401k:
You contribute pre-tax money, meaning you don’t pay taxes on the money you put in this account, and can be a huge tax deduction.
Secondly, you can contribute up to $19,000 per year in a 401k…that’s more than 3x HIGHER than you can contribute to a Roth IRA.
Third, some employers offer a 401k employer match - which means they actually match your contribution, dollar for dollar
Downsides to the traditional 401k:
The first is that you’ll end up paying taxes on your money when you begin withdrawing it from your account after the age of 59.5. With a 401k, you’re basically saving money on taxes NOW so you have more to invest upfront.
Secondly, if you want to withdraw the money prior to the age of 59.5 for anything other than financial hardship, you’ll be subject to paying a 10% penalty on your money and you’ll owe taxes as though this money is ORDINARY INCOME.
Third, you’ll be forced to begin withdrawing your money at the age of 70 1/2…and for some people who prefer to continue saving it and letting it grow, well…you can’t.
And the right mix is - in my opinion - a slight balance between the two. I still contribute a bit to my traditional 401k just to hedge my future options, even if I have no idea if it’ll be the smart choice in the future…again, JUST IN CASE. I also go heavy on the Roth option, too, because I know it’ll be tax free in the future, and I don’t have to question what future tax rates may or may not be.
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can one convert a 401K to a Roth 401K as one can do with a normal IRA to Roth IRA so as to circumvent the income cap?
I just hit the like button before he ask me!!!
*You can make ROTH contributions in a 401k with the annual limit of $19,500?
It’s easily the best video explaining ROTH IRA vs 401K.
Thank you for your videos I’m finding your channel at 22 I know I have a good restart !
My company offers Roth 401k without match. Should I put money in? Or go for Ira ?
This entire video is incredibly misleading. Only qualified principal distributions from a Roth IRA are tax free. There are also different rules depending on if you had the IRA for at least 5 years or not. Further, there are income limits that limit eligibility for a Roth IRA. All of these caveats should at least be acknowledged.
I'm 15, no expenses, live with my parents. I save 95 percent of all money I make just doing odd jobs n stuff like that.
what do you have?
Thanks Graham! Wonderful info!
Graham, two other things...
1) Roth 401k - same contribution limits as traditional 401k so allows one to essentially triple what they can contribute to Roth IRA, and that’s without any match, with a company match it’s even better obviously
2) With direction government seems to be going, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they figure out a way to tax Roth IRA withdrawals. Certainly hope not but I don’t put anything out of their reach anymore.
Thanks for the great content! Keep it up!
Since 401k is pre-tax dollars and whatever invested in it can be written off (up to $18k per year), can I use my capital gains from individual brokerage account and transfer into 401k without being taxed a capital gains tax? In other words, would the capital gains be written off?
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@10:15 answered my question thank you
isnt there a cap at 5500 a year?
so the jobs that pay higher, also offer the 401k, so you get paid more and can contribute more, and they match more.... sooo everyone else is just boned? cooooooooooool COOL COOL COOL
Hm.. how can you make all these money per year and still be eligible to contribute to Roth IRA? doesn't add up...
Eligibility to contribute to a Roth IRA is based on your income level. If you file taxes as a single person, your Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) must be under $139,000 for the tax year 2020 and under $140,000 for the tax year 2021 to contribute to a Roth IRA, and if you're married and file jointly, your MAGI must be under $206,000 for the tax year 2020 and 208,000 for the tax year 2021.
I'm a 64 year old woman who is on Disability. Will I have to pay taxes on my IRA if I take it out!
What do you suggest if I am already 50 years old and just starting in a Roth IRA?
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Can't you invest on both of those solutions?
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but graham why are you not doing a defined? benefit plan?
I am 24 and work full time as a nurse. I am matching my employer’s 401K. My husband and I are currently debt free, however he is in medical school. We will be able to pay for his 1st and 2nd years but we will be going into debt for his 3rd and 4th years of schooling. Is it better for me to save money to pay towards our future debts or to invest in a Roth IRA/other means? Thank you in advance.
If I max out in my 401k, I obviously save taxes now and pay taxes when I withdraw. Do I pay taxes on the principal investment or also on the appreciation?
Please do a video on Mega Backdoor Roth IRA and Backdoor Roth IRA!
Incredibly confusing to me
ADDITIONS:
1. Your beneficiaries' tax rates should also be considered in the event of death (example: no children or wealthy retired doctor with high income earning kids)
2. Your state's tax system including rates, exclusions and more should influence your decision (example: move to Florida in retirement)
3. Early distributions should be considered (Example: Kid in college may anticipate using a $10K First-Time Homebuyer exception to the 10% penalty)
It isn't Roth IRA vs 401(k), it's employer sponsored retirement plan vs IRAs. I think you should do both. See a good tax advisor the help you with your strategies and for more information.
Don’t you make too much to contribute to your Roth IRA? Thanks Graham!
Q:"Should I get a 401K or Roth IRA?"
A: Yes
Can you retire before 59.5 y/o but still withdraw the money after ? Like retire at 50 but take out the money at 60 years old tax and penalty free
What about income limits on traditional ROTH IRAs?
Can we invest in Roth IRA if i live in Canada & does TSFA pay same interest in long term as Roth IRA .
Great video, the details are well explained, I hope I am not too old to start investing online? I am new to all these types of investments, in fact I have never invested online before. Frankly I do not know anything about buying or selling of stock, I am scared that I might loose money. I need advice on how to begin.
I sat in my room this evening to look at my accounts and I realized how inflation on rise and how the value of what I have in there has depreciated over time. Whether Mutual Funds, Index Funds And ETF’s whatever it is called, as long as I do it and am able to make profit. I need to begin investing.
Choose Roth every time. You will be happier when taxes get near 100%.
Sooo I have to pay money for money that I already made?
Great video!
Didn't mind all the bouncing around, it all tied together, honestly.
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read this wrong thought it was ira
Ok but what if I’m young now and not making a ton of money yet but expect to make more money in like 5-10 years then less money when I hit retirement age....
What if I’m making only 15000 a year can I still contribute 19000 to 401k?
Wow I never thought of it as if you make more money you should do a traditional. I always thought if you make more money you should do more in a traditional. I should put more into my traditional 401k maybe. I was always thinking doing a Roth IRA or Roth 401k would benefit me in the long run. I'll have to think of it.
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What happens if i leave an employer when i had a 401k Should i move it to an ira or keep it there?
Hey Graham, aren't there income limits regarding contributions to a Roth IRA? Now, just from watching your channel, I know that you make too much money to contribute. How are you doing this??
Is there a video with a Traditional IRA mentioned as well?
I am self employed and always max my Roth IRA but I feel its not enough, can I open a Roth 401K for myself as a self employed person to take advantage of the increased contribution limit?
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My job offers a 401k with a 75% match. Is it worth it.
Ouch..sounded ruff both ways. Maybe just safe the money under a pillow
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how are you able to contribute to roth ira if you are making alot of money?? lol
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$7k/yr for "old" folks
Since both future tax structure/rates and your own income situation is unknown - best to just close your eyes and contribute to both if you are able to.
So if I have a 401k and the business I work with matches it does that mean technically I’m only putting in 9k a year? If you can only put a max of 18k a year into a 401 then the 9k you put and the 9k your employer matched should equal 18k meaning I only have to put 9k to cap the max?
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Graham, what are your thoughts on a Roth 401k?
Roth 401k for the win... If your company sponsored plan doesn't include this option you really should be banging HRs door down until they do.
Hey graham I know this is old but what if you do your company match 401k and invest in that but also have a Roth IRA would you say invest in both if your able to?
The best is to have both, maximize 401k, and also maximize Roth IRA.
Do a video on allocation between 401k Roth vs traditional 401k and also how the regular ira traditional and Roth come into this. It’s hard to decide how to allocate between all of these
Remember to withdraw Roth earnings tax free you have to be 59.5 AND have the account open for 5 years. If you ever transfer your Roth money over usually this restarts. So if you’re contributing Roth money to your 401k, and rollover the Roth earnings and contributions that’s a taxable event on the earnings conversion.
Extremely helpful! Thank you!
One advantage of IRAs is that you usually have more choices of investments, including individual stocks & options.
What about Roth 401k
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Well I've got both Roth IRA and 401k but not to be cynical these wont take you from $100k to $1million as soon as we might want. so I'd really appreciate lucrative tips on how to make better return over a short period of time.
But wouldnt the power of compounding make the 401k better in the long run in you invest early? It seems like the power of compounding between ages 20-30 would possibly be better for 401k just because of the time horizon
I'm not sure!
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Would you be able to do a video on Roth IRA vs high interest savings account or money market account
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Does anyone know of a calculator somewhere online that one could use to figure out which is better if they don't understand finances that well?
The IRA (not a Roth IRA) and 401k were designed to encourage people to save for retirement using the logic that if you make $60,000 a year now, you're going to be taxed at that bracket, but when you retire your income will drop down to maybe $12,000 a year, which is basically tax-free. So you can put some of your income now into an IRA or 401K, thereby sheltering it from being taxed until you start withdrawing it after you retire, when you're at a much lower tax bracket, maybe paying no tax at all.
However, the rich wanted yet another tax dodge for themselves. You see, if you inherited $20,000,000 and your income consists of the interest and dividends from that inherited money being invested, when you retire your income doesn't drop because it never depended on you working in the first place. Therefore, an IRA or 401K does you almost no good. The solution? A Roth IRA! Now you can invest your money that's already been taxed, and all of your earnings from that investment will not be taxed when you withdraw it.
So the bottom line, put simply is this, is your income going to drop significantly when you reach retirement age? If the answer is yes, go with a 401k, but if the answer is no, go with a Roth IRA. I really can't think of a middle ground where it makes sense to do both unless you can drop, say, $30,000 into a Roth over 5 years, let that build interest for another 3-5 years, and then take the original $30,000 out and use it while the interest stays in and keeps working. I still think a 401K would be better though.
Can I open a Roth IRA with chase bank? I’m 1 year away from being 18
Dude - you are missing the mega back door roth. You can do both 401k and roth.
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What happens if im in a high tax bracket. Quit that job and work at mcdonalds for a year? Does my tax bracket drop, thus making me pay the smallest amount of tax?
Mr Graham. Would you be answer my question please? I work with same company for 12 years they never come up with 401k for us just now last couple months,but they didn't match they money for us at all. Can they do that no match anything? Illegal or not?
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Can you have multiple Roth IRAs if you're hitting the $6k limit?
But then what about the almighty Roth 401k???
Love your stuff buddy. Bravo! What about if you’re younger, and make a lower amount especially with write offs (lower AGI at the end of the year) but have a chunk of change and want to make up for lost time. Would the Roth 401k be the option? I currently am a 1099 so there’s no matching for me.
A real financial professional would say this: a 401k and a Roth IRA are accounts. You don’t ‘invest’ in an account. You open an account and then fill the account with investments. So this is a bit misleading as most stuff on YouTube is.
Is the Roth IRA too good to be true though? I could see a circumstance in the future where they decide to tax the capital gains, but maybe at a lower rate than if the money was in a taxable account. Not that that would be the end of the world if there was a lot of money in there anyway (since you would still have a lot of money). But sometimes I wonder if it really is too good of a deal to be true, that you could accrue capital gains over decades, and pay no taxes whatsoever after 59.
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get to the fucking point
Roth IRAs are only for people who don't make more than 170000 a year as a household. For a lot of high income earners it's invalid. A better way to save tax free would be to use specially designed life insurance which isn't categorized as an investment by the IRS but can get the normal market fluctuations or can be indexed to the S&P. You should always contribute at least the company match for 401k because that's literally free money 100% guarenteed return, beyond the match to the IRS max is up to you, I wouldn't recommend it for younger people
Even if you're in a low tax bracket, you might get a larger refund by contributing to trad 401k because of the Earned Income Credit. Like he said, a mix of both is probably best
Not sure what is considered a high tax bracket- is it what you’re effectively paying after deductions? Or do you look at where you’re at after 401k contribution as well? Where do you consider the high tax bracket to be?
The $6k contribution limit on Roth is a drop in the bucket imo if you’re up there in high tax land, so it seems like there’s never a situation for anyone where a Roth IRA isn’t worth having. That’s the moral of the story here imo.
Max employer match 401k, hit Roth’s low max, then max 401k. Not to mention what you drop into 401k lowers your taxable income by that much.
So making $78k but with standard deduction and 401k maxing, my taxable income is around just $40k at a touch under 12%.
His example at 6:30 is correct in concept but wrong in practice as there are individual and couple gross income limits for Roth IRA contributions. For example if you are single and make over $140k in 2020 you are ineligible to contribute to a Roth IRA. If you can, your best bet is to max out your 401k and use the tax savings to fund your Roth IRA. If you make the "right" amount (somewhere around 100k) they balance out almost perfectly.
What if my job doesn’t offer a 401k
Love your content! Quick question, what do you consider a "high" or "low" tax bracket? I make ~85K pretax yearly, and currently contribute the minimum(8%) to my 401k such that I get the max(4%) match from employer. I save the rest monthly into a high interest daving account (~0.6% currently). Is a Roth IRA a better alternative to the saving account? Btw, I do anticipate to earn close to $120K in the next decade, I am 32 years old. Thanks.